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What would the readings be -- exactly? Just wondering. Thanks, robt

Dear Robt,

No prior reading is necessary, with the intention that I will be able to provide this information at the time. The referenced texts are:
The Post-Bureaucratic Organization: New Perspectives on Organizational Change: Charles Hechscher and Anne Donnellon, Sage Publications (1994)
Creating a Just and Democratic Workplace: More Engagement, Less Hierarchy. Joyce Rothschild. Contemporary Sociology, Vol. 29, No. 1, Utopian Visions: Engaged Sociologies for the 21st Century (Jan., 2000)

I hope this helps!

This class has been scheduled.

Date: November 9, from 12-4 (1 meeting)
Location:

There are 2 texts posted for your reference:

http://aaaarg.org/creating-a-just-and-democratic-workplace-more-engageme...
http://aaaarg.org/the-collectivist-organization-an-alternative-to-ration...

Just to repeat Elysa's post above: prior reading is not necessary for the seminar.

One more text:

http://aaaarg.org/defining-the-post-bureaucratic-type

I wont be able to make it to this event, sorry. I'll be protesting at the Mormon Church. Maybe "give" my paid sopt to someone else? -Robert

hi
did this class happen?
how was it?
is there any public school policy towards class repeats?
did any other suggested readings pop up, besides those listed on this page?

and i wonder, regarding the public school and this site, i've some suggestions (is there a better place for this kind of feedback?):

the classes are great and useful - but so is this site - potentially - for instance, the links to the readings on this page have been useful. i wonder if a handful of things might be integrated into future parts of this site:
- a class reading list (collating both pre-class links, plus any reading that emerged from conversations in class)
- notes from the class - maybe attendees could post ideas, comments, notes, a summary, etc - that would instantly turn the site in a very different kind of resource... where classes could continually develop, and maybe even repeat, using the first one as a groundwork for the next. this wouldn't necessarily be required, but could be encouraged - but since i doubt many of the classes will ever repeat, it would majorly serve folks who wanted to come to class, but had to miss for whatever scheduling or geographic reasons...

thanks!

Hi overtones99,

It's already happened, but I'm now working on a paper based on these papers, some of my research and the ideas generated in class. If you send me your email address, I can send it to you when its finished! Or perhaps I can just post a link on this page!

For reading ideas around this area, a great book is Utopia and Organization. It definitely covers a broader area. The original two papers are quite specific (although if you are after more on this, you can check out the studies they reference). Yet another, although perhaps more tangential book is Spaces of Hope (Marxism and spatial organization).

Elysa,

Please do post a link once your paper is finished. I'm sure the participating students and other interested parties would appreciate it.

Overtones,

Thank you for your suggestions. These are certainly ideas we have thrown around. All of what you mentioned is possible on this site and could be included in the comments section of each class page. Your comments posted here are delivered to all those who expressed "interest" in the class. Maybe this will spur some conversation/exchange well after the class has taken place.

-ak

hi Elysa!
yes, would love to read it!
please send to a [at] plus1plus1plus [dot] org,
or ... post a link to it here
THANK YOU

and AK, thanks for the quick response.
yes, hopefully folks will allow the aftermath of each class to spill forth into the comments section. the comments section as it currently stands could definitely work to this end - however, i'll put my vote in now to at least provide a suggestion somewhere of how these comments can be used after the class (it could suggested on the site, or could be suggested in the classes). i don't doubt that folks could figure it out themselves, but i think encouragement from the public school could change the way folks approach these classes, and provoke a different kind of note-taking and after-the-fact-sharing... i think the primary thing that could prevent people from using the site this way is the fact that the classes are priced - there might be a feeling that what was learned/gathered in class is priced material, not to be given away freely afterwards (even though the site says explicitly that the admission fee is for rent/materials, not information).
anyways, maybe my own paranoia...
but there's my 2cents
thanks!
: )

My sense is that most people who come (and give something in exchange for the classes that they take) think that the experience of being in class is radically different from the types of information that are being talked about there, and generally wouldn't feel protective about that information being distributed.

Note-taking and after-the-fact sharing are something that comes up frequently and something we've been encouraging. I think that lots of materials have been shared through the comments section, quite freely, and if that material hasn't been completed or formatted better it's been the for the simple reason of people not really having the time for it.

Because rigorous documenting and compiling notes sort of takes you out of the conversation, I think it's one of those situations where someone might take the class in exchange for doing all of that labor. I personally take the position that nothing is free, we just choose not to talk about the costs and exchanges that do occur.

These ideas are great and we should take them up in the next Public School class, which should be coming up soon! (after a bit of an unfortunate hiatus) OT99, and anyone else into these conversations, I do hope you'll come to that.

-sean